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White house in the past what they say tend to be different than what actually transpires behind closed doors. i think we'll need to see how this plays out. general kelly had one day on the job and i do think we're going have to have to take a wait and see approach as to how ivanka trump and her husband actually behave under the new reporting structure. and all the other aides in the white house for that matter. >> rick, people are asking the question is it wise for general kelly to allow ivanka and jared to keep their walk-in. president trump in meetings in the white house refers to his daught...

Everything he's done. he hasn't always agreed with everything i've done. but i've always respected his work immensely. but he is a brilliant man and writer and i found him to be a great guy to work for. it's going to be a certain loss for everybody who is involved in primetime at msnbc. >> david, i don't want to put you on the spot too much, but it's sort of my job in this case. was he well liked within msnbc? i've heard plenty of -- what was your impression? >> well, yeah, a fair question. i think the people he worked with had a lot of respect for him. the people on his show, the director, th...

His conflicts going back to when dan abrams was running msnbc and he had his conflicts with bill griffin. i think one thing to keep in mind is that not only are things changing with jeff zucker no longer running nbc, but the reporting structure. you have phil griffin that is going to be reporting to steve cap instead of the head of nbc. so steve cap is the head of nbc news, that will have a much more influence over msnbc, and this may be part of it. it was no secret that steve was particularly upset, justifiably so, with how keith handled the suspension earlier this year and the donations. and...

Example, is lying about what he told the russians, that's not a problem for donald trump. that's not a problem for the chief of staff at the time. it's only a problem when somebody finds out about it. so, you know, there's a -- there's a set of rules here that i think is -- and a mind set. i compared john kelly to don reagan, who was the infamous second chief of staff for ronald reagan, who was arrogant and politically inept. i think kelly reminds me of him. he's arrogant and he plays by a set of rules that they don't think the rules apply to them. >> john kelly was-to-supposed to come in and ...

General electric, the reporting structure was going to be different. until comcast comes in, you have phil griffin who was a keith olbermann protecting directing to jeff zucker. under the new arrangement, he'll be right above phil griffin. nbc news will have more of an influence and keith anticipated, justify my so that his wings might be clipped and the special commentaries he would be making, it would have to be paid to nbc news standards and judgment and keith felt he built the franchise for eight years and highly successful and treasured the fans who signed the petitions back in november d...