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You so it's okay. is it just about money? is it about being short staffed? how do you quantify the problem? >> so it's about everything. air traffic controllers can only work ten hours a day, six days a week because it is a high stress occupation. >> they work ten hours a day, six days a week? >> that's the maximum they can work. and we are so short staffed and many of our busy facilities across the country that's what they are working. now you take it where they are not having their extra people there to do training, to do support, to do quality assurance. >> why don't they have them? >> beca...

One day off? >> that's the max they can work. and we are so short staffed and many of our busy facilities across the country that's what they are working. now you take it where they are not having their extra people there to do training, to do support, to do quality assurance. >> why don't they have them? >> because they are deemed nonessential. our reporting systems that are in place but over ten years now that have built this remarkable safety system is not being processed properly. we have a concern that if this continues on another pay period, another month, we have heard months, we have h...

>> well, they're looking at it. part of it is, for instance, he identified that there are different approach patterns that were put in place at a number of the major airports that the controllers and the pilots were not completely familiar with. in other cases there were challenges with the new reporting systems. but let's, let's be clear: any given time we've got 7,000-plus aircraft in the air, we've got more aircraft flying. there are challenges, and we haven't met them yet. jon: yeah. i'm, obviously, a big proponent of flying and air travel. it is the safest way to go, but what do you say t...