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The seriousness of this -- what this agency has at its disposal, but also it's ability to keep you from organizing, just by demanding 90 pieces of information within a couple of months, or a couple of weeks. i mean, the short timeframes, these are -- a lot of these are small, mostly i think they are small organizations, they don't have the time or the resources to be providing all this information, and some of this information basically goes beyond the bound. i mean email communications, the names of young volunteers, even to say do some of your volunteers plan to run for office in the foresee...

By law. you have proof that the i.r.s. leaked your confidential donor information to a group that opposes your point of view, and your donors were harassed as a result of that, is that correct? >> yes. >> all right. miss martingu quirks right next door in iowa i work with groups very similar to what you do in iowa. your board members -- the i.r.s. told you that if your board signed a letter saying that they would no longer picket or protest on behalf of the pro-life movement at planned parenthood then they could receive their tax exempt status, is that correct. >> that's correct. >> surrender ...

Happened here, and i think you need to state that, apologize for it, and then get to the bottom of it and change it, and -- one of the things i think that this may have some impact too is tax reform. all of the complicated stuff that groups have to do -- and i don't mean just these groups, i mean all americans have to do to get through the tax morass of the i.r.s. may be a real reform of the i.r.s. and the tax code is warranted beyond just this issue. jon: congressman dave camp the head of this committee supposedly wants to make that one of the big priorities of the committee going forward, ta...

Organization, this one from the san fernando valley in california which was supposed to submit anything that says that their members might have violated ordinances while they were protesting, as if by the way they were occupy wall street or some one of these leftist groups that actually has violated some of these ordinances. some of this stuff is really, really deeply troubling, and i think the fact that it puts a face on these charges that people read about makes it really damaging for the i.r.s. and raises lots of questions about the i.r.s.'s behavior in targeting. the other thing that this ...

A conspiracy where there isn't than. mr. issa says he can feel it in his gut that someone has broke even thbroken the law. just ask yourself what is more likely that midlevel employees overwhelmed by as many as four times as many applications than before made stupid irresponsible short cuts or there is a nationwide plot to take down community organizers. this happened under an i.r.s. commissioner appointed by george bush and was investigated by a republican inspector general. what happened to you was unfair, it was unfair, and incredibly invent but it was a mistake. our job is to make sure it ...