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He's comparing himself to the other presidents. how does that stack up? >> it won't be a surprise if i tell you that he's wrong. what we're seeing in the material that's come out from the investigation so far. i'm talking about things publicly available. not -- >> the transcript. >> this is the key. yes we have gotten leaks from democrats. leave those aside. look at the testimony the statements that have been released. and the call transcript. summary. that's enough for you to see the pattern of abuse of power. which fits neatly into the second article of impeachment against nixon. donald trum...

His supporters have bought from him which is this idea of brooech grievance. the talks in washington screwed everything in america up. screwed you trump supporters and now they're trying to do it again attacking president trump. and he will be able to sort of spin that and use it as a campaign fuel. the problem is that if you're a democrat in congress, you have to do your constitutional job which from their point of view is proceeding with this impeachment investigation. >> it's interesting he is gotten people to believe they are grieved. when really to vote against their own interest. that's ...

In general the facts that have been presented to us at this point about president trump's actions and the realtime concerns of trump administration officials are pretty striking. so you can see why they are going to move ahead to these public hearings. >> you say morrison's view of the law is irrelevant and his action is he was worried about the call. >> i think so. it really says a lot about how basically monolithic the testimony has been, this is something the republicans are saying was good for them. yeah, he very much corroborates taylor. he heard sondland and giuliani who are going to be ...

But he's also said that he didn't think anything on the call was illegal. the white house says testimony is good for them. how do you see it? >> obviously i'm looking forward to reading the full deposition. the report of the testimony suggests he did in fact corroborate realtime concerns about the withholding of $400 million in u.s. security assistance to ukraine with the condition being trump wanted the investigations launched. remember that others especially u.s. acting ambassador to ukraine, bill taylor, has already said morrison was basically a key source conveying this information, convey...

>> they don't check the facts. we're talking about the just a basic facts of impeachment. you can't agree on who placed a call. who was on the call. whether or not it was a transcript or full or memorandum. whether or not words were missing. they don't trust the testimony. or the reports characterizing testimony. we can't agree on whether or not the sky is blue. it's difficult to get through to a certain faction of the public who sides with trump. who just is inclined to be very distrustful of anybody part of the establishment they view him as taking on. we have known this since 2015. it hasn'...