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Wouldn't be here talking about a cr. we'd be under paul ryan's budget. >> well, that would be terrible. now you're going to go after medicare and seniors. but the reason -- the issue was that we actually -- while we had the senate, we didn't have the 60 votes that we needed so the fact of the matter is we needed to work with republicans, and that's, as you can tell over in the senate, been a very, very difficult thing to do because of the real ideological bent that's going on. and then the house was just insufferable, quite çfrankly. >> representative grimm, is this all about planet parentho...

Reid to the white house. we could see another one later today. not bearing fruit. this is obviously going down to the wire here, richard. >> mike viqueira at the white house will be watching it from there, as well ezra klein, thank you both for stopping by and giving us your perspective. let's go now straight to representative laura sanchez, a democrat from california, and congressman michael grimm. thank you both. i know it's a very busy time right now. representative grimm, is half of 1% worth a shutdown? that's the way it's been framed so far. >> well, you know, that's a question you're goi...

Leadership. >> if we do have a shutdown in 13 hours, will you still take your paycheck? >> i'm very fortunate because i just refinanced my house so i have a cushion. but i really worry about those people, those young children and those mothers who are worried about where their next meal is going to come from. >> will you still take your paycheck. >> that's what i worry about, you know. so i financially don't have to worry about it at this point. >> will you stay take your paycheck. >> other people do have to worry about. >> it will you take your paycheck? >> i don't think the paychecks are goi...

Eliminating some tax earmarks and closing some tax loopholes. and so i think you have to have a balanced approach. you can't have all cuts. >> representative grimm, is he approaching this in a plaensed way? >> not at all. i've got to be honest with you, i'm very disappointed. i was really looking for the president to step up and lead. this is not the leadership that we need. here's the bottom line. we're looking at over ten years, $1.1 trillion is what the president is saying we're going to cut. we had $1.6 trillion this year alone. three years of more than $1 trillion in deficits. that's not ...

>> representative, thank you very much. we'll move on from that subject. and i want to get back to gabby giffords, if we could. susan, what if you think if she were to throw her hat in the ring? >> if jifrgiffords makes a run,t a formidable candidate. she's got a story that's captured the hearts of many of us. i'm sure many people in arizona as well. she would be a formidable candidate. that's a tough state for a republican running statewide, but she would definitely be someone we'd love to see her in that race. >> all right. michael, really quickly here, congressman. what do you think 2012? i...