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And they were informed he would not be meeting with them. they also said in advance that they planned to trays issue of russia our election in 2016. members of the parliament say it hand come up in any forceful way at all. it strikes me as something i haven't seen when i've covered it in the past. usually they can say more difficult things because they don't have to sit down with vladimir putin and negotiate about a start treaty or an iran nuclear deal. i helped negotiate on july 4th, 2013. representative mccarthy was the

Members of the russian parliament who they have been meeting with say it hasn't really come up. it hasn't come up in any forceful way at all. is that dynamic also unusual? it strikes me as the kind of thing i haven't seen when i've covered these in the past. >> yeah, you're right. and i think it's disappointing, you know, the account so far. i think they're that one more day. so maybe they'll have a chance to redeem themselves. one of the beauties usually is they can say more difficult things because they don't have to sit down with vladimir putin and negotiate about a start treaty or an iran ...

And everybody else. you were quoting a lot of people i know well from the russian side. these are very experienced foreign policy hands and they were very dismissive of what happened in those meetings. you can have frank tough conversations i hope that tomorrow, they go out and meet some people in russian civil society. for all of the difficulties on policy we had with congressman mccarthy, he did daniel our celebration but then they peeled away and saw the opposition leader who two years later was

Foreign policy hands, and they were very dismissive of what happened in those meetings. by the way, i used to meet with a lot of russians as ambassador. and you can have frank, tough conversations. there is nothing wrong with that, but you need to push back on things that i think are wrong. but number two, i hope to goodness sakes that tomorrow they go out and at least meet some people in russian civil society, the opposition, you know for all of the difficulties on policy we had with congressman mccarthy, he did attend our july 4th celebration. i was the host with 2,000 other guests. but then...

But i don't think he has either the intellectual firepower to sort of handle, you know, this issue, or the political focus and staying power to see it through. because you would have to take on part of your own base. i think many republicans -- and i believe many republican lawmakers would actually be relieved if the president were to lead on this issue and they weren't out there on their own, naked against the nra. but again, you know, anderson, we've seen so many times, he'll float an idea and the next three people who come in the office say, hey, boss, your base won't like it, and he melts ...