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>> yeah. i think there has to be -- >> the president wants one. >> verifiable foolproof identification so an employer, which we will need tough employer sanctions when we reform this law will be secure in who they are hiring and will not bring sanctions upon them. i thought you outlined it well. there has to be employer sanctions. has to be a registration where people we know who they are and we know that they are law-abiding and then there has to be enforcement. >> okay. >> the problem is there's an insatiable appetite to do nothing. every time we try to reach a solution it's amnesty and ever...

I handled it pretty well and deftly with mr. murphy, the state rep who pushed this thing. i got down to this and pat and i disagree. i don't know where eugene stands. let's get into the politics. what are they going to do about this? they can't sit there and say we won because nobody is happy with the immigration law right now. >> right. >> except for farmers who like the cheap labor or the guys who are hiring these guys. the first day in nobody works harder than the guy who first got here. he works his butt off and he's cheap so those people would like them. >> as a practical matter what are ...

Main magnet for people coming to this country? >> yeah. i think there has to be -- >> the president wants one. >> verifiable foolproof identification so an employer, which we will need tough employer sanctions when we reform this law will be secure in who they are hiring and will not bring sanctions upon them. i thought you outline it had well. there has to be employer sanctions there. has to be a registration where people we know who they are and we know that they are law-abiding and then there has to be enforcement. >> okay. >> the problem is there's an insatiable appetite to do nothing. eve...

Supports -- everyone that supports -- not everyone that supports this law is a racist or a bigot. there's a lot of frustration, a lot of anxiety, and i agree. congress should have moved on the issue of immigration reform a long time ago, but we're running out of excuses. here's the deal. if we're going to talk about an enforcement process, let's do that and let's do enforcement. but beyond enforcement is part of the solution to the immigration, broken immigration system. some people want to keep it broken so they can take advantage of it politically. >> that's what i think. that's what i think...

Lot of anxiety, and i agree. congress should have moved on the issue of immigration reform a long time ago, but we're running out of excuses. here's the deal. if we're going to talk about an enforcement process, let's do that and let's do enforcement. but beyond enforcement is part of the solution to the immigration, broken immigration system. some people want to keep it broken so they can take advantage of it politically. >> that's what i think. that's what i think. i'm agreeing with you. i think people -- they like it exactly the way it is. let me get back to representative murphy. you're on...