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intrude into any other country. >> gordon brown and former president of pakistan, pervez musharraf. >> there's too much division in pakistan to be a fight against terrorism to be effect. >> the situation in pakistan is more complicated in that there is al qaeda, there's taliban, and taliban spreading talibanization. >> two the most powerful men in the world. now they can speak freely. this is "piers morgan tonight." between the u.s. and u.k. has been showing some strains lately. is it working? joining me is a man that knows a lot about the special relationship, former prime minister ...

>> the situation in pakistan is more complicated in that there's al qaeda, there's taliban, and taliban spreading talibanization. >> they were two of the most powerful men in the world. now they can speak freely. this is "piers morgan tonight." >> a special relationship between the u.s. and the u.k. has been showing some strains lately, and president obama's state visit is meant to smooth over any rough patches. but is it working? joining me now is a man who knows about that special relationship, former british prime minister gordon brown. thank you for joining me. >> a pleasure. >> ...

It's a broken handle from a foot tray. they could heat the ends, sharpen it up, and this could become a weapon. >> might snatch the clown. they might illegally kidnap my clown. find it, rescue it, take it wherever you have to take it. >> moments later his clown immediately comes under scrutiny. uh-oh, there goes the clown. they're checking him out. oh! >> scoping him out. >> what do you think? you worried about it? >> i don't keep anything in my cell. i've been doing this 20 years, man. >> if you're looking at something like that, what are you looking for? >> any kind of holes. you could feel ...

Publicly and talking about it in personal terms and very political terms, it was always interesting to me people took that to mean that you were no longer catholic or that you were an atheist or that you -- people essentially took it as an opportunity to question your faith. i wonder if you still encounter that, if you have any reflections on that. >> well, no, i mean i think anyone that really knows me or whatever would know that in fact i would have taken that action and still continue to take all of this action because i believe passionately in the holy spirit, and i'm in love passionately ...