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Recent years. so with that in mind, diplomacy angle in mind that charles mentioned, if these ten were from another country, say the middle east, it would be a different situation? >> i gather, i -- traditionally the trades take place between convicted spies, who served time. not just, i'm going to rush you into a courtroom, get a guilty plea and send you off. we are looking at this from a distance saying this must be obama's investment and improved relations with the russians. so what would a trial, a lengthy trial of the spies have done? just irritate the russians? is that what he was trying ...

These sanctions. that's what our team will be working on as the president said, over the next several weeks and throughout the spring to get tough sanctions so that iran will finally be confronted with having to live up to the responsibilities that it's made to the international community. >> robert, what's the source of the president's confidence that these sanctions are imminent within weeks, not months? what's happened with france -- excuse me with, china and russia that makes the president feel this is something that can happen quickly. >> look, as i said a minute ago, the russians have be...

Differences. putin is going through a very difficult period. i think he's trying to cement his legacy. the true putin is coming out. the harsh anti-human rights, you know, we're a major power, don't push us around. it's a very dangerous phase. i think the president has been trying to be diplomatic with him. trying to set this reset relationship. but what needs to happen, chuck, is maybe not this time, obviously, because of snowden. i agree what the administration did with snowden. he has to rebuild that perm relationship. maybe they should go off to a deserted island and try to narrow these di...