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Transition? >> all right. so here is where -- i'm watches this unfold, reading it. at one level i have zero love for the muslim brotherhood, and the way he's acted as a quasi authoritarian figure. it's not the greatest thing for the development of egyptian democracy for the first democratically elected government to collapse within a year under the threat of essentially a military coup. how should i be feeling about this as an american liberal watching this unfold? i want someone to tell me whose side i should be on as i watch for this outcome. >> well, i think your emotions are spot on. i mea...

This horrible word, stability, kept coming up. the u.s. administration and the people who advise cannot get over that stability must not come at the expense of the people. 20 years ago, 30 years ago i would have told the administration, make sure there's enough space in the middle for people who aren't either the military or muslim brotherhood to be the only powers in the country. we're now the third point of that triangle and the military must understand that people will not allow return to military rule. >> if you could sit down with the president for 15 minutes and tell him how to play the ...

Egypt, but when a military pushed aside democratically elected islamists, the salvation front, that led to a civil war of horrific proportions. that's not going to happen in egypt. how do you integrate the muslim brotherhood into the politics? >> here's the thing i kept thinking about, i would not want to be the person who wakes up every morning for the egypt portfolio for the u.s. government. if i could get in a time machine now and talk to some american in 2003 and said, check this out, in ten years the u.s. government will be viewed by the most populist arab nation in the world being close ...

Concern today, violence on the streets, both sides, opposition protesters and pro-muslim brotherhood supporters called to be on the streets. what played out on the streets of egypt today? >> reporter: there have been a few different pockets of protests taking place across the capital and other parts of the country. in cairo, itself, the main anti-morsi protest has been in tahrir square. there's been one also outside the presidential palace. and in another part of town, the supporters of president mohamed morsi have held their own rallies. now, in and around the areas between these two major ga...

Change presidents, every time there's a president you're not happy with, protesters are going to come out and you're going to kick him out? >> no, hopefully we'll have a proper constitution and a proper parliament that will give us the democratic means of impeaching this president. right now the country is built on no foundations and a president that is doing a very bad job. so you don't have democratic means of impeaching this president right now so this is all we have. >> that was an egyptian protester speaking with nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard engel. joining me, an egyptian ...