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Kiley about whether or not there was outgoing fire at this point, return of fire from ukraine into russia. have you had any sense of that? . >> yeah. there's been -- from what we've seen, and we've been in belgorod as well, there's been absolutely no return fire that we would have seen or witnessed. it doesn't appear any sort of incoming fire was going on. all the thuds that we were hearing, all the launches we were hearing to us appeared very much to be coming from russian territory. also last night, when the offensive started, you could -- from our vantage point you could see the flashes fro...

Rotary wing aircraft, as long as they stay outside the zone. if they come into the zone and fire their weapons, then we will try to escort them out, and there's a whole escalation of things that air forces know how to do to escort somebody out of the zone. and if they refused to do that or if they fire upon nato airforces, then of course nato would return fire. but there is no intention and no desire, no plan to fire upon any russian positions. i think this is achievable. we've done it in bosnia, we've done it in iraq, and as much as it is more tense because russia has nuclear weapons, we cann...

Lots of return fire by the ukrainians. a reminder that the ukrainians. a reminder that the ukrainians are fighting back, but the russians are still attacking. but the russians are still attacking-— but the russians are still attackina. . , . attacking. that was lyce doucet in k iv. attacking. that was lyce doucet in kyiv- in _ attacking. that was lyce doucet in kyiv- in the — attacking. that was lyce doucet in kyiv. in the past— attacking. that was lyce doucet in kyiv. in the past hour- attacking. that was lyce doucet in kyiv. in the past hour or- attacking. that was lyce doucet in kyiv....

To some of what he said translation: listen - to what the kremlin is saying, simply listen to that. they even used to such terminology that were mentioned then, when the nazi party was marching through europe and wanted to destroy everyone and everything, to subjugate peoples and to destroy us and you completely without even a word. they were calling it the final solution for the jewish question. you remember that. and you will never forget that. but you are hearing they are speaking these words again, the final solution. and a reminder that you can keep across all the developments on the russ...

It's a question of numbers. we're fighting in the city centre now, what's left of it. they have far, far more troops than us. but if and when mariupol falls, what will be the next target? what about the capital, kyiv? on a night when we see far more explosions, we understand a shopping mall, a building, a fuel station may have been hit. there's been lots of return fire by the ukrainians, a reminder that the ukrainians are fighting back, but the russians are still attacking. the way the war has changed ukraine is being felt everywhere, although where possible people are also trying to keep hold...