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He was lead on, like egg on from the host to say dirty and bad stuff. >> pardon me. i didn't mean to interrupt you but that's where you were going with this, blaming billy bush and saying it was boy talk. is that what trump supporters really see here, too? >> no, they see it for exactly what it was. it is not boy talk. it wasn't locker room talk. this was a grown man in a professional situation that's running for president of the united states, and that's exactly how people see it. and for her to blame it or anyone to blame it on billy bush egging it on, i think it is a tremendous mistake beca...

Level with you, it doesn't seem right. even howard stern -- i'm nota howard stern fan. >> bababuoy. >> trump went in there and it was an entertainment program and to kind of all the sudden now it's on cnn, i just feel like this is apples and oranges so i really can't comment on it. >> van jones i saw a side eye there. >> l jui just wanted to say the reason i feel this tape has been different than everything else with donald trump is everything else he's done that's been controversial, that's gotten people upset could be put into one of three categories. it was either political conviction, he a...

On who wins on november 8th. but because there have been so many women that have come forward in the wake of the "access hollywood" tape, which was very damaging to trump, you never know, but at the same time, this is what -- this is what politicians do. they're accused of stuff. we don't know who is telling the truth, but accusation, after accusation, it does add up, it leads to bad headlines, and that's bad for trump. >> and mark, it is showing up in the polls because five national polls published within the last couple days shows clinton with a significant lead. how much pressure does that ...

Us low. that's a big part of why i think the media is not willing to move off of this. he has not apologized. he has not railwaysisen to the occasion. >> i agree with van. >> what was that? >> i said all right, deacon jones. >> i was going to say i agree with van's point about bill clinton, but i think where at least he lost me in the parallel example is with the reverend wright stuff. this was something that he knew for a decade, he went to this church, as he said. you know, he was the individual who married them. that's something that barack obama did consciously for a decade, and the stuff ...

Before. >> no one advocates going the step where you get a little bit like, hey, i'm going to invade someone's space. >> right. >> locker room talk to me is guys are talking about who is hot or what they've done to chicks or what they're hoping to do to chicks. andy, even howard stern says trump's language isn't locker room talk. what is your reaction? >> i don't know if i'm the right guy to analyze locker room talk. i don't know. to me the howard stern stuff, this is stuff, you know, from the '90s when he was on the show, five, ten years ago. to me, to analyze in a political setting, i'll j...