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David gergen. jeffrey lord, and white house and state department official shammia choudary. >> you were in the nixon white house. do you buy the idea that donald trump is implementing his own version of what is known as the madman theory? >> absolutely. and john, please understand. it didn't start with nixon. it goes back a long way. macc machiavelli 500 years ago -- and i do think donald trump embraced the theory. he talks regularly of henry kissinger and kissinger often talks about this of a way of controlling events. i would say couple of words of caution about when it's used. in the nixon ...

Won in a different way. campaigned in a different way. policiwise he's doing the reverse kissinger. getting close to russia and pushing china away. so people are going to give him broad hathd. i think one of the the interesting things about where president elect trump is, like him or not he's had a relate live good transition. he's announced a number of people at this point. poll numbers seem to be in his favor. the dow is up, maybe in record territory soon. and christine, i this i the reality is, even if he think the reality is the way he's going about it isn't totally responsible, i think th...