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House spying on the fbi. bart, let me start with that on you. i think the operating principle or the operating assumption a lot of us have had is there was a fishing expedition into the raw intelligence by the white house as a means of reverse-engineering some plausible kernel of a basis for this wildly unsupported claim by the president. it was then given to nunes. you sort of floated an alternate theory about what these individuals might have been doing inside that intelligence. what is that theory? >> well, it's really a question. i don't have a basis to say it is happening, but it fits the...

Reverse-targeting. you want to actually spy on an american, so you pick some foreigners that that american might be talking to and spy on them. they might have been looking for finished reports that have to do with espionage on foreign targets whom the trump transition might have plausibly been talking to. why is it that they found -- if they're just looking randomly, how is it they found trump campaign officials or the president himself in there? and the theory is that they're looking to see what sort of stuff is turning up in these intercepts that might be of use to the fbi. by the way, that...

That news interview on "morning joe" she said if the trump team knew how we got the information, they would try to expose our tactics. she hinted those tactics were illegal surveillance and collection of trump team members using reverse targeting. meaning, again, going after legitimate targets cleared to reverse target trump officials. it's very important that she be subpoenaed and talked to. she left the administration in 2015 to join the hillary clinton campaign. now she's coordinating with obama officials in the nsc post election to discredit the trump administration as they come into power...

--? >> we will never -- >> even to you have another big committee. >> no. >> interesting "the wall street journal" lead editorial said governor nunes should not real estate sign doing a good job adam schiff hyper bipartisan spread innuendo across airwaves without evidence. >> "the wall street journal" suggests perhaps it sounds like the trump the recognition team could have been targeted by something called reverse targeting, in other words,, got a fisa order to watch the russian ambassador just to see who in trump transformation team might have -- >> they don't want recuse them a republican w...

Illegal practice where a government targets a citizen under the guise of targeting a person overseas. the california congressmen stood by his decision but offered some regret. >> a judgment call on my part, and that, at the end of the day, sometimes you make the right decision, sometimes you make the wrong one, but you've got to stick by the decisions you make. >> the committee's ranking democrats at the bipartisan probe is tarnished. >> we can't have our chair acting as a surrogate for the administration. he has to either have the surrogate role or the chairman role, but he can't do both. >> ...