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Practicality. do you think that's fair? and was this harder to get done than it seems from the outside? >> well, i think that it's a fundamental inalienable right that women should have control of their own bodies. and i think that's what's going on, this constant assault on women's reproductive rights, you see it in alabama, indiana, even missouri now, so many states that it's horrific. and what we did was we went the other direction, right. we went out and expanded women's access to iuds and norplants, long acting reversible contraception, as you described it, and reduced teenaged abortion b...

Of unwanted pregnancies in that state, which of course down the line naturally reduces the number of abortions in the state as well. this public policy program -- this public health program in colorado, it was built around a specific technology, long-acting, reversible contraception, specifically, these little guys. this is an iud. it's a long-acting reversible contraception. that's a method of preventing pregnancy. it's more reliable than the pill. with the iud, you put the device in and you don't have to do anything to keep it going. you don't have to remember to take a pill at the same time...

Abortion. if you want to reduce abortion, you do what we did here in colorado, which is provide free birth control and good information to women. we actually cut the teen birth and abortion rate in colorado, a pro choice state, by providing reversible contraception. so if her organization is serious about trying to improve women's health care, i'd suggest she get behind those efforts. >> i think that's not the issue. >> ladies, hold on. this is a critical issue, obviously, you two are never going to agree on abortion being pro life or pro choice. but what i am asking, laura, is about the rheto...