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So it's a very dicey scenario in which you could be in a situation where he does confront them and that would be the most unfortunate thing of all. >> certainly. richard, he absolutely will be confronting them at this part of the case. let's get it clear, his attorney wanted to put forth some sort of mental deficiency argument to try to save his life. dylann roof rejected that. he rejected it. so any statements made by his lawyer have been stricken from the record in the penalty -- in the guilt phase of the case. so now we move into the penalty phase, there is no evidence of a mental disorder ...

Going to get the death penalty. >> do you agree? >> you know, i think that if ever there would be a compelling case to be made, boris, for the death penalty, to really be used and apply, it would be this case. what is really trouble some is the fact you had people who were so compassionate and welcoming of him and handing him a bible and handing him scripture and then when they were the most vulnerable and closing their eyes to pray he guns them down. even the whole issues of his hatred and manifesto, i think it's compelling that a jury very well may be moved in this instance to apply the deat...

Family's money so much as it was rotten parenting. i've had children that come have impoverished parents. these parents let him drive a car at 13, let him drink at 14. are you kidding me? that's the type of parenting. it didn't go to the issue of guilt. it mitigated his sentence and convinced a criminal court judge where a 1 in thousand cases he would have received that deal. get back home and report to your probation officer. get back in court and dot right thing. >> david, i have to let you go and let richard start. good to see both of you. >> thank you. arthel, with the clock winding down...