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Next steps. >> just hold on. >> pulled is a technical term, meaning they got it. they went and received it. >> thank you. >> it is called pulling a permit. don't get excited. >> thank you. >> so just a couple of things. one, let's, again, keep in mind we did not know and we do not know how many people were actually in the thrift store this morning when the wall collapsed on the building. that is why the fire department, search and rescue operation continues. still an active search and rescue scene. want everyone to be respectful of that and understand that that's the procedure and process that...

>> there is a reason. >> thank you, john zarrella, on that, congratulations to her, of course. and now to some tougher news here, building comes crashing down late this morning in a busy part of philadelphia, center city. 22nd and market streets. more than a dozen people were trapped in this rubble. what is the process, though, if you're a firefighter, right there, going brick by brick, trying to listen for people, how do you listen? what tools are you using? we'll talk live to a firefighter in studio next. few industries are changing more rapidly than healthcare. by earning your degree from c...

Building to be demoed. this was the thrift store. and so now we have seen it was this building. and, by the way, the l train, the subway was right here. hearing from the fire commissioner, he said not too much happened down there. but just imagine waiting for the subway on your -- what is this, wednesday? early wednesday morning and sort of hearing and feeling that happening above ground. joining me now on the phone is cnn's don lemon, who is in philadelphia. and, don, you're the one, you've been talking to your sources as we heard the fire commissioner saying 14 people now pulled out, one is ...

People are in any store, anywhere, at any particular point in time. so the search and rescue will continue until we literally get to the basement and uncovered everything that we can possibly uncover and that's why also the search dogs are here with us this afternoon. second, on -- >> okay, so this is mayor michael nutter speaking, that was part of the news conference that wrapped a couple of minutes ago. also speaking the fire commissioner in philadelphia, lloyd ayers. this has been going on since just about 10:45 this morning. keep in mind, this is still pretty fresh and we're just trying to...

Another round pretty shortly. bernie, thank you so much. i appreciate it. let me just reset for you and take a step back and show you the scene before the building fell. i'm a visual person. this helps me to sort of understand what has happened. this was before all of this happened, this is the building here, you see this with the hoagie city sign this is the building that was supposed to be demoed. you've seen the thrift store. this is the only bit that is still standing after this building went this way. i want to show you here in a minute, sort of minutes before the demolition, but this is ...