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Now, less than 24 hours later after the threat from the president lawyers, that man had to retract his claim. today he tweeted this. "last night i made an error in judgment by reporting item about there president's finances that didn't go through a rigorous verification and standard process." [laughs] is talking but nbc news, a completely fraudulent news organization -- our rigorous process. excuse me. picking up the quote again. "i shouldn't have reported it and i was wrong, wrong to discuss it on the air. i will address the issue on my show tonight. in other words, please watch! it's unbelie...

Department is. he was still very much out there, trying to figure out what he wanted to do with the department. here we are, now over a year into this administration. do you have the sense that he has now a clear sense, clear vision with what he wants to do with that department? >> no, absolutely. when i was there with hud initially, the listening tour was actually my responsibility. so i'm extremely familiar with it. as jason alluded the objective was to give dr. carson an opportunity to not only talk to hud employees out in the field, not only to talk to stakeholders but the recipients, indi...

Reported in the post? >> if the two authors of that particular article would have done further research, they would have discovered that the sba, small business association, vetted meridian long before dr. carson ever had -- was sworn in. so, they were already in the process to receive that $485,000. now if you do further research, you would discover any amount under $4 million for institutions, organizations that have that mority stts don't have to compete they did go through a competitive process and ultimately were selected. so there's a little misinformation there in that particular can co...

Competitive bid process. minority-owned firms were considered. jason osbourne, what does this say to you or what should it say to you that the relationship the secretary of hud has with his family? >> two separate issues we're talking about, one that shermichael just mentioned, a completely different agency that dr. carson has no control over, no oversight over and no influence, other than the fact that he happens to know the people over at hhs. >> so let's bring hud back into this. >> exactly. you have to look at what dr. carson set out to do when he took over as housing and urban development...

Strict, there's such a long laundry list of things the executive branch has to do that the argument could be made by the time they get to fisa, they've written an a-plus term paper to get their application, which is probably a little different and, you would agree, in state court where warrants are made relatively quickly. >> unfortunately because fichlt sa's critics are from the left and now on the right have primed the public to distrust the people involved the damage has been already done. let me ask you a bit about that, the reputation of fisa and what recourse someone has when a fisa warr...