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Government. so you can arguably, whether will baghdadi in the way the united states killed bin laden, you can marginalize them but you can't eliminate them and they remain an ongoing problem. this time around with much greater consequences than al qaeda out of afghanistan and its offshoots elsewhere in the middle east. this is the most existentialal crisis for iraq and in many ways with rippling effect across the region, even much more so than syria. jenna: to your point on that, it is interesting the way you described it. the threat to the united states is barbaric jihaddism, as both ideology...

That there's a lot of republicans that feel the way rand paul does, which is you know what? they have a shot at winning some of the spin war or at least they think they're winning the spin war now because i think they're just watching and listening to their supporters tell them, hey, you're winning. great job, great argument. i this i they're in a bubble a little bit right now. we'll see. next week is a whole different story. next week is when the next round of paychecks that are skipped, the first big paycheck that is skipped. i think that's when things could change a little bit. >> chuck, i ...

One of the problems we found is that a lot of students, because in part, they're not well informed, they're taking out a lot of loans. but they're not thinking through how fast they need to graduate. they never graduate. they can't pay back the loans. that means the taxpayers get stuck. and the young person is no better off than they would have been. they're worse off. >> that's president obama in an exclusive interview with cnn's chris cuomo. talking about the rippling effect student loan debt can have on the taxpayer. >> 37 million americans have outstanding federal student loan debt. we're ...

Kentucky that used these tax-free bonds will have to pay more to service those debts so it has a rippling effect. >> what about the president having reached out to the gop this week during the dinner with senators and lunch with paul ryan. do you think that is going to help avoid more fiscal crises, this kind of reaching out by the president? if so, why didn't this president do it earlier? >> well, you know, once again, i think this was a nice symbolic act. and i'm sure that those senators appreciated the dinner and chris and paul enjoyed the lunch, but i don't think it's going to make any dif...

But it has a rippling effect. they are on public property. a lot of people say the crosses represent the christian religion. the supreme court decision says this one in particular reflects the crosses of u.s. fallen soldiers you see in cemeteries where soldiers lost their lives in the name of freedom. it is not necessary about religion. thank you very much. >> this just in. a statement coming in now. associated press is reporting joe kelly. there are now two women involved in different ways in this scandal that surrounds general gave individual petraeus w -- d