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Uneasy because that is a piece of evidence that really exemplifies the racial anonymous and the fact that just like the prosecutor said this happened to ahmaud arbery because he was a black man. and i think that that is at the crux of their case. they didn't make a huge issue out of it, but the statements were made. and if you remove the component of a citizen's arrest, if you remove the self-defense, then all you have is a harmless, unarmed young black man who is running to save his life. so i think these pieces of evidence, that 911 call is critical to the prosecution's case and that the jur...

Indicted, and she has her own trial i believe in february for obstruction of justice and corruption and things of that nature. so what we saw for a period of almost three months was lack of activity on the case. it was mr. arbery whose insistence to find out what happened to his child that led to a lot of investigations and a lot of people looking into this, and ultimately the prosecutor, lead prosecutor, who is facing her own trial in february, stepping down, and then appointing some other prosecutors who unfortunately were friendly to her. but it wasn't until gbi got involved, the george bur...

Got it. they saw it. she didn't have to talk about race that much, because it was, like i said, so evident. so i think justice was served in this case. the jury spoke. and i think it was an outcome that it was a very, very justified outcome and a pleasant surprise. i know that ahmaud -- i've spoken to mr. arbery. i know mr. arbery's family is feeling that at least justice is served. they will never see their son. they sue the horrific views of what happened to him but at least there's modicum of justice served for acts of heinous crimes, violence, and a modern day lynching. >> we're watching o...

Rittenhouse case. such that i don't believe that the defendants are going to be able to rely on it in the same ways that kyle rittenhouse relied on it and resulting in an acquittal. so i don't necessarily anticipate that these individuals will not be convicted. however, there are very, very unpredictable things that happen when you are talking about a jury and a jury trial. so nothing is certain until the verdict is rendered. so we'll have to see what happens. >> i wonder disturbed you were by one of the defense lawyers referring to arbery's toenails, as she tried to paint him as a criminal, a...

Lives in prison. back to you. >> charles: thanks. ted williams has been following this trial. he joins me now. ted, lots of ups and downs and anxiety. just your thoughts now that the verdict is in. >> well, my thoughts are that justice prevailed. for many years in the south, black people have been murdered and killed and hung. as a result of a video tape and as a result of a predominantly white jury in this case, a case where race was front and center, we have seen that things have changed and transitioned there in the south where justice has