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Political campaign made no sense. it was counterproductive to all of what we had been trying to do. it was ill logical. it could not be explained. it was crazy. >> when you say all of what we were trying to do. what do you mean by we? >> i mean that the united states was trying to support ukraine as a front line state against russian attack and again, the whole notion of a rules-based order was being threatened by the russians in ukraine. so our securitiy assistance was designed to support ukraine. it was not just united states. it was all of our allies. >> when you referenced help with a poli...

The investigations of biden, is that right? >> and burisma, yes, sir. zblf and i take it the import of that is he cares more about that than he does about ukraine? >> yes, sir. >> during your testimony, ambassador taylor, you also said that more ukrainians would undoubtedly die without u.s. assistance. why is that? >> mr. chairman, the security assistance that we provide takes many forms. one of the components of that assistance is counterbattery radar. another component are sniper weapons. these weapons and this assistance is -- allows the ukrainian military to deter

Any particular element of the security systems and any particular death on the battlefield, but it is certainly true that that assistance had enabled ukrainian armed forces to be effective and deter and to be able to take countermeasures to the attacks that the russians had. >> i think you said a ukrainian soldier lost their life while you were visiting dambas? >> we keep very careful track of the casualties. i noticed on the next day, the information that we got that one was killed, four soldiers were wounded on that day. >> and, indeed, ukrainians lose their lives every week? >> every week. ...

Ukraine's future and the important u.s. interests there. so when secretary pompeo asked in eto'o go back to kiev, i wanted to say yes. but it was not an easy decision. the former ambassador yovanovitch has been treated poorly. caught in a web of political machinations both in kiev and in washington. i feared that those problems were still present. i consulted both my wife and the respected former senior republican official who has been a mentor. i will tell you my wife in no uncertain terms strongly is opposed the idea. if your country asks you to do your country you do it if you could be effe...