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Different factions. this feels more free fall and it's been accelerated in large part by the rob porter issue, both because you're absent a staffer, a key one. he helped move a lot of policy and was playing a bunch of crucial rolls and an adviser to john kelly. it exposes that if you don't have systems in place, such as the security clearances, a lot of problems arise and it's taken the air of command and control that john kelly had managed to create around himself as bringing order to the white house, that has just gone. >> i mean the reporting i saw today about the meeting with steele execut...

Yeah. >> it was that bad and so, yes, there is an issue here obviously john kelly took some fire over his handling of the rob porter issue. he's now been taking more internal fire over this decision to change the security clearance question, which has robbed jared kushner of classified clearance and there are discussions about whether he's going to go. look, i think kelly is continuing to try to impose order there, consistent rules. that's why he came out with the new security rules. there are probably going to be some people who are upset about that, you are hearing them speak anonymously to ...

Get done, if only because republicans need to vote for something. >> well, that's right. i think the republicans are under a lot of pressure, and whether he's breaking the gridlock or not, i mean, let's say no one would ever mistake donald trump with lyndon johnson in terms of being a political animal, you just cannot wave your hand and change the politics of an entire country. and bill just described some of the political pressures that weigh in against merely transforming the gun control debate. so i think it's possible that yeah, he's broken the gridlock, and i think that the public pressur...

Week, he will change his mind. kind of like a prison warden saying i will withdraw rations and then saying a day later no no it's okay guys and it creates this chaos. this issue involves the entire international trading block of nations. paul: right. >> i think the damage it's done here no matter what he does next week is that his credibility is going to be eroded in the future on any trade agreements that he tries to cut with anybody. i think in particular of the idea that we're going to have a bilateral trade agreement with the u.k. and teresa may i think would be very difficult for her to g...

She was also, despite, that i know she got a lot of criticism. she was one of the people who could deflect some of his dicier requests or things he wanted to do. she would push back and she would also absorb a lot of screaming, the venting, the anger that he would direct at reporters or at other staffers. and she would not roll it back down hill. absent that kind of a filter, it will get uglier in an already pretty low morale situation. >> and is there anyone who could step in? it doesn't seem as though the chief of staff is doing it. >> the chief of staff is not doing it. he has made it clear...