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They've had these conversations before. that's what that says. we have always said. i mean, this isn't dowd going out and saying how trump feels about the president. this is how trump feels about flynn. this is what trump has told dowd about how he feels about flynn to pass it on. so, look, mueller didn't go there. mueller didn't subpoena dowd and try to sort of pierce the veil of the attorney/client privilege and find out how involved was trump in this, what discussions did they specifically have about this? it's clear to me that dowd is committing a crime here. the question is how involved a...

Isn't you know, i've got to sort of talk my way around this because i can't go at it directly because i really shouldn't be going at it at all. >> yeah. >> this is, like, not something i'm comfortable with, but i got to do it. and also a sense that dowd is thinking about the president, thinking about what he might not know about what flynn and trump might know and so he's trying to maneuver and find that out as well. >> anita, how will we ever know, based on the beat that you cover every day, the level of concern inside the west wing, whether, for example, the departure of mr. flynn's counsel ...

Because i can't go at it directly because i really shouldn't be going at it at all. >> yeah. >> this is, like, not something i'm comfortable with, but i got to do it. and also a sense that dowd is thinking about the president, thinking about what he might not know about what flynn and trump might know and so he's trying to maneuver and find that out as well. >> anita, how will we ever know, based on the beat that you cover every day, the level of concern inside the west wing, whether, for example, the departure of mr. flynn's counsel is based on the knowledge that this audio was coming out tod...

Well, first of all, this isn't the first time this has come up. they've had these conversations before. that's what that says. we have always said. i mean, this isn't dowd going out and saying how trump feels about the president. this is how trump feels about flynn. this is what trump has told dowd about how he feels about flynn to pass it on. so, look, mueller didn't go there. mueller didn't subpoena dowd and try to sort of pierce the veil of the attorney/client privilege and find out how involved was trump in this, what discussions did they specifically have about this? it's clear to me that...

Kislyak "asked flynn to set up a vtc, a video teleconference between president-elect trump and russian president putin for january 21st of 2017." one day after the inauguration. michael flynn, a reminder, is still awaiting sentencing. today his longtime attorney robert kelner notified the court he was no longer representing michael flynn. prosecutors also released a voicemail left by that same attorney, robert kelner by president trump's one-time personal territory robert dowd. flynn agreed to cooperate with the special counsel investigation. with the feds. now, we've already been able to read...