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In robin deangelo's best selling book "white fragility" she makes a bold assertion i agree with 100%. white liberals are the worst when it comes to talking about racism. well, in her new book "nice racism: how progressive white people protect harm" she uses racism to go in deep on why it's not white nationalists who give folks like me the blues. it's all those nice white people who think they're woke. robin deangelo joins me now. robin, great to see you. and thank you again for coming know you are in for a time with a group you're meeting with when someone comes up to you and says you're preac...

First, listen to our 45-minute conversation on my "washington post" pod cast and pick up the book "nice racism." it's not the kind of book you can just breeze through. you have to dive in and read it to get what robin is talking about. great to talk to you, robin d'angelo. thank you for coming to "the sunday show." coming upment in next hour, amy klobuchar on killing the filibuster and the black women on the front line at the foot of the voting rights. line at the f the voting rights. my dvt blood clot left me with questions... was another around the corner? or could i have a different game ...

Like robin deangelo and these sort of prominent public intellectuals slash sort of activists slash authors. so it's being popularized. it's moving out of the academy, but there is a real set of ideas here that is different from we're teaching more about jim crow. we're teaching about the tulsa massacre. there is a distinction between teaching more about racial history and the history of segregation and these kind of programs of how we're fighting whiteness in schools. >> and you think critical race theory is teaching kids that whiteness is bad because that's not part of what critical race theo...

Theory in some attenuated sense. and it's passing through figures like robin deangelo, these sort of prominent public intellectuals slash activists slash authors. so it's being popularized, moving out of the academy. there is a real set of ideas here that is different from we're teaching more about jim crow, we're teaching about the tulsa massacre. there is a distinction between teaching more about racial history and the history of segregation and these programs of how we're fighting whiteness in schools. >> and you think that critical race theory is teaching kids that whiteness is bad? becaus...

These are régis and terms and constructs they use, to lie about them just as they lie about anti racism, and critical race theory and the 1619 project. >> and your book, it really took off after the george floyd murder. so did robin deangelo's book, white rage. i believe that's the name. do you think the right is using the george floyd movement, and the fact that white americans saw what happened to george floyd and said oh my god, we need to question whether or not there is structural racism in our society that said this is about. it's about one americans waking up to what happened and they ...