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The tax returns are false. you can say rick gates is the worst person on earth. the tax returns are lies. there is no dispute about that. the bank applications are full of lies. and the defense, you know, they had nothing to say about that. i mean, i just -- this case is a complete mystery to me why it went to trial. >> the fact that the defense didn't put any witnesses on the stand, did that -- obviously they're not going to put manafort on. >> no. >> but did it surprise you they didn't put anybody? >> you know, it's usually the case that defendants put their case in through the cross-examine...

That the information will come out. it's not clear if he means the moment there is a verdict or later in the legal process. they is questionsy over the last few days has been striking and unusual. that court in particular has that reputation as the rocket docket and the observers who can only see the public portion of the trial that the rocket went off course or petered out because things were not progressing as quickly as they normally do. i agree with the other folks that you were quoting earlier who said it did seem like there was an issue related to the jury. there was movement to and from...

Ultimately get some answers to, right? there's been some closed hearings. there's been some sealed conferences at the bench where lawyers and the judge all talked amongst themselves with the white noise machine playing so spectators couldn't hear it. something still needs to be unresolved. a lot of people are speculating it might have something to do with the jury. there was definitely a sealed conversation having to do with rick gates offering evidence that might be used by the special counsel in other cases. what do you feel like of all of these things raised, these sort of mysteries raised ...

What do you make, a five-hour delay, i think it was friday. now a 2 1/2-hour delay today. should we not make too much of it? >> in any high-profile case, you have to safeguard the sanctionty of the jury. in a run of the mill case, even in the federal government, that the media doesn't care about, you just don't have that concern at the forefront as you do in a case like this. one juror, one tainted juror can ruin the entire jury and the entire trial. so it's worth being careful. about the rocket docket, federal court in general is one big rocket docket compared to state courts. but even for fe...

Paul manafort didn't get instead of loans did he get. the government filed a motion. the court's suggestion, however, that the government was unnecessarily spending time on a loan that manafort did not receive undermines the well-established law on conspiracy, undercuts the charge in count 28 and is likely to confuse and mislead the jury. but just now the court graveled back. in there was no apology or explanation from the judge about what he said yesterday or why he took so long to get started today. shep? >> shepard: all right. thanks a lot. let's go back to caroline policy who i mentioned i...