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Talking arsenic, right boys in. >> rods that, dave, said deborah's claims were laughable. the alleged murder plots are think our force. >> ross defense attorney agreed. during a testy examination he tried to poke holes in debra's testimony, starting with her story of those spots. >> were you scared? >> yes. >> did you call it? place >> yes or no? >> no. >> gottlieb says deborah stories didn't add up either. >> time and time again, when she is saying that she felt bullied by rod, she was afraid of him. the only thing she ever says in her emails is i love you, dear i love you, over and over agai...

That you just now figuring this out? and he said quote, know i only want to kill the people who try to take my children away from me. >> did you believe, now, that rod killed shele? >> there was no exception in my mind that he killed her at this point. >> finally, rotten deborah split. in 2014, she called investigators and told them everything she knew. now, four and a half years later, she told the jury. and she was about to get grilled by rod goblins defense attorneys. coming up, so it is fair to say yes, you were -- >> no, i was mad at him. i was mad at him for a lot of reasons. >> question...

Emails. >> by late 2009, he was also deeply in debt, with virtually no income. still, even with their divorce spending, he believed he would gain control of her 5 million dollar estate, if she died. but then, rod found some emails sent just two days before her death. >> she reaches out to an attorney, and also tell several people that she wants to change -- >> the state said that's one rod snapped, and hatched his plan. the night of december 30th, a friend of melissa feel sorry and send something was wrong. >> shele was nervous when we first met up and she was looking around quite a bit. i did...

Shele covlin, 2010 began with sadness. >> shele's sister eve and her husband marc, and believe the mother of two was gone. did a kind of hit you later, the more emotional side of things? did you think about your life without? >> right. exactly. >> and the children without her? >> right. you can't even think about the magnitude of it all. >> shele -- dl endgame 1--'s in laws, were also in shock. their son, rod called with a new. >> he says, shele is dead. i don't think i've ever made it to manhattan faster in my life. >> did you get any details on that first phone call? >> no. nothing. >> no, h...

Damaging to the marriage. >> she started going to the fire scrub. >> from once a week, it became much more frequent than that. >> the couple seemed to be living separate lives. in what happened to be a painful moment, shele told her sister it wasn't the backgammon or the fact that rod was it pulling his way that pushed her to separate. it was rod's cheating. she >> believes that he left an email up so she would purposely see it, from another woman. and she confronted him and he said that yes, he slipping around with other women. and he wants an open marriage. he still loves her, but once an op...