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All those things. but for voters as we know from our voter panels and everyone we talk to the idea of crime is just more visceral and, i guess, in their real lives and in their imaginations more tangible and intense. so it's just everything he's saying is true. i just don't know if infrastructure people feel as strongly about. >> i mean certainly you can only make so many attack ads about infrastructure that are going to resonate as opposed to of course thinking about crime and people have a visceral reaction to the idea of not feeling safe. as much as we talk about the theoretical which is de...

Buttigieg whether president biden's closing argument about democracy in danger is working. >> it's five days -- five days to go until the most important elections in our lifetime. and that's not hyperbole, it's going to shape what the next two generations look like. not a joke because so much is changing, so much. it's clear this is not a referendum. this is a choice, a choice between two vastly different visions of america. >> joining me now is transportation secretary pete buttigieg. mr. secretary, thank you so much for being with us. great to see you tonight. >> thanks for having me on. >> ...