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Throughout -- this is the way the company does business and if this is the way the company does business then the manhattan district attorney's office is not planning to stop at the cfo. they're planning to look at the organization as a whole and likely to trump himself who runs this organization. so you know, i think this is huge news and you know really worrisome news if you're former president trump. >> that's so there's a great point right the cfo i mean you know people can can screw up their taxes. people can find themselves in hot water over taxes right. but we're talking about the guy w...

Extension pompeo? >> that's essentially what it seems like sondland is trying to say in this thing. it's that he is being penalized because he testified in ways that pompeo didn't want him to, and the ways that were adverse to the trump administration. look, i think that sondland racked up a big legal bill here, and i don't expect many people to feel that bad for him about that, but the question here is whether pompeo basically said, yeah, we'll do this and then walked away from the deal when he realized what sondland was going to say and how damaging that testimony was going to be and that so...

>> ambassador gordon sondland testifying he was not a rogue actor in ukraine or working part of an irregular channel and he said he as the u.s. ambassador to the european union was keeping officials across the the administration from the secretary of state up to date on everything he was working on. now speaking to reporters moments ago sondland said he is absolutely not going to resign and is going back to work. let's discuss. jen psaki, how tenable is it that he could just say there was a quid pro quo, rudy told me what to do and that is facts remain the president and everybody knew and now ...

Not been definitively linked to withholding security aid to ukraine in exchange for investigations. they continually asked witnesses today whether or not they had any evidence that the president had done that. they continued to get the answer no. while it's a very narrow set of goals, they believe they achieved that as well. >> tomorrow, ambassador sondland is testifying. what are you hearing on the anticipation on that? >> it's huge. i think the most interesting thing is whether republican or democrat, what i've been struck by, including those in the closed door deposition with sondland is no...

Of illinois. as we look ahead to testimony today, what are you hoping to hear from gordon sondland? >> thanks for having me on, mika. today is a big day. gordon sondland was a pivotal figure. he was part of a number of conversations and meetings and communications where it appears that, you know, military assistance as well as a white house meeting were conditioned on the launch of investigations by the ukrainians of trump's political rivals. up until now, there was kind of a narrative that he was one of the three amigos, but as we hear more and more from different witnesses, they appear to be...