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One of the challenges is these folks cannot get a pass by saying i was ordered to do it, because ethically they clearly knew this was wrong. they should have become whistleblowers. they should have done something on behalf of the american people. the culture at the irs when we're done, when the reorganizations and changes are made, have to do two things. they have to have checks and balances, but they also have to have that individual responsibility. if there's a rogue agent or somebody orders someone to do something and it's wrong, you can't say i knew it was inappropriate and then not have t...

Out there a couple rogue agents in cincinnati did this and it wasn't a grand scheme, the same employee we quoted earlier in the transcripts we were provided said this, as an agent we are controlled by many, many people. we have to submit many, many reports. so the chance of two agents being rogue and doing things then the agent who you are talking about this is slightly higher in that cincinnati office made the same point. he did say, i tried to get out of there. i thought something inappropriate, i was looking for a different job and he said and i quote "i mean rogue agent? even though i was ...

Folks cannot get a pass by saying i was ordered to do it, because ethically they clearly knew this was wrong. they should have become whistleblowers. they should have done something on behalf of the american people. the culture at the irs when we're done, when the reorganizations and changes are made, have to do two things. they have to have checks and balances, but they also have to have that individual responsibility. if there's a rogue agent or somebody orders someone to do something and it's wrong, you can't say i knew it was inappropriate and then not have told somebody like the i.g. if t...

Chose the word of rogue agents political meaning rogue came to mean for a lot of tea party people who are big fans of sarah palin who named her book, after the, you know, being sort of a rogue agent within the gop. but indeed, i think this is the sort of thing that you can see snowball over the months and by, you know, august and september of next year, we could be looking at a lot of democrats in a lot of trouble because, if you step back and look at all the different scandals it is, they're all sort of related in some way because they're all sort of advancing this sort of politicization of a...

In fact, agents were telling people in washington, they were getting supervisory approval. and cincinnati is not a small office. that's the largest office for processing taxes and applications. and one other thing. this idea there was a huge increase in 2010, actually if you look at it factually there was not, of applications. that was not true also. i don't know how the white house is going to explain it or white house counsel will explain it but we will take a lot of deposition necessary a very big lawsuit. >> do you think we were lied to about this being out of one rogue agency? >> no doubt...