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Was operating on a rogue basis and we weren't being told or the president wasn't being told is a flat out lie. >> senator the records show the cia briefed 68 members of congress on a total of more than three dozen times. are you really saying that the leaders who were briefed didn't know about the enhanced interrogation techniques? >> we gave to learn gradually about it. first few people were told and they were told they couldn't discuss it with anybody. then the day before it broke in the press the intelligence committees were briefed. then we spent a lot of time looking into it and we were t...

That every 30 to 45 days. so the notion that the committee's trying to peddle somehow the agency was operating on a rogue basis and we weren't being told or the president wasn't being told is just a flat out lie. >> here with reaction former senior adviser to president george w. bush, fox news contributor karl rove. we had jose rodriguez on the program the over night. heover saw the water boarding of khalid sheikh mohammed and other instances. he says without that technique we wouldn't have found the courier which led us to bin laden. if he was there and he saw and had the information and they...

Things i read while he was doing other things, he had a much broader portfolio than i did and i spent a lot of my time just on national security. but i think he knew everything he needed to know and wanted to know about the program. >> did he know the details? >> i think he knew certainly the techniques that we did discuss the techniques. there's no effort on our part to keep him from that. he was just as with the terrorist surveillance program, he had to personally sign off on that every 30 to 45 days, so the negotiation that the committee's trying to pedal it, somehow it will agency was ...

He had to personally sign off on that every 30 to 45 days. so the notion, the committee is trying to peddle that somehow the agency was operating on a rogue basis and we weren't being told or the president wasn't being told. >> he talks about with respect to the program and then with respect to the in house interrogation program. it started in the summer of 2002. he was fully informed. >> so where is the ceps here? >> i think he is more or less telling the truth. the idea that there was something bush or cheney could have learn about this torture program and pulled the plug on it strains the i...

Was operating on a rogue basis and we weren't being told or the president wasn't being told is a flat out lie. >> senator the records show the cia briefed 68 members of congress on a total of more than three dozen times. are you really saying that the leaders who were briefed didn't know about the enhanced interrogation techniques? >> we gave to learn gradually about it. first few people were told and they were told they couldn't discuss it with anybody. then the day before it broke in the press the intelligence committees were briefed. then we spent a lot of time looking into it and we were t...