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Recollection, the revival of the u.s. deterrent effect against rogue behavior. and that was, of course, missing for many, many years under the previous administration. is that how you see it? >> absolutely i do. if the deterrent is credible, it means you probably don't have to take action. having used missiles once against assad, it may be that we don't have to do it another time in this instance. although there is plenty more we have to do and that has to be done if this part of the world -- if the fires in this part of the world are going to subside much less be put out. paul: i want to talk...

Paul: so what you are seeing here is the refresh your recollection, the revival of the u.s. deterrent effect against rogue behavior. and that was, of course, missing for many, many years under the previous administration. is that how you see it? >> absolutely i do. if the deterrent is credible, it means you probably don't have to take action. having used missiles once against assad, it may be that we don't have to do it another time in this instance. although there is plenty more we have to do and that has to be done if this part of the world -- if the fires in this part of the world are going...

There were instances of rogue behavior by cia agents, were there not? >> absolutely. this was not a perfectly run program. there were -- there was misconduct on the way. occasionally. not frequently. and cia self-reported itself to the department of justice reporting those abuses so the department of justice could investigate them. >> mr. rizzo, thank you for being here tonight. we appreciate your time. >> thank you, megyn. well, we also have some ugly e-mails leaked from hollywood tonight involving big donors and what they said behind closed doors about the president. plus, a new twist in...

Cauterize a wound that's really more serious than the bridgegate name than we're giving this and the idea that it's a crisis involving yellow cones on a highway. this was the use of government machinery to punish enemies. we think, that is, and he's saved himself and cauterized the wound if, but only if, he satisfied the first rule of crisis management 101 which is to get everything out all at once so you don't suffer a kind of water torture of drip, drip, drip. second in rule of crisis management is don't come out and read a lawyered statement. it was interesting that he came out and used hon...

Been a pattern of rogue behavior. pierre thomas, abc news, washington. >> it's hard to believe that this is really a first-time thing. an aberration. and senator lieberman's own comments, again, hard to believe that in one night, 11 secret service agents in colombia, there to protect the president, suddenly and spontaneously did something that other agents haven't done before. >> yeah, and something else also cited in the hearing which is also very interesting but i don't think it's really a surprise. 60% of secret service agents said they would not report misconduct of their colleagues. so yo...