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Saudi arabia from 2001 to 2013. great to have you with us. first of all, sir, let me get your initial reaction to this verdict. you obviously know the criminal system in saudi arabia. you know the kingdom better than us. what do you make of the trial and how that was carried out? >> i'm sad to say it's not a surprise. this is a band-aid, i think, on a much greater problem. they have convicted those who perhaps carried out the murder and dismemberment of jamaal. but they have certainly not held accountable those who orchestrated it and put it together. i think it is a mockery of justice. >> one...

>> i'm sad to say it's not a surprise. this is a band-aid i think on a much greater problem. they have convicted those who perhaps carried out the murder and dismemberment of jamaal. but they have certainly not held accountable those who o orchestrated it and put it together. i think it is a knockry of justice. >> one of the aspects in all of this and you again know very well that crown prince mohammed bin salman is a powerful man and the argument that saudi officials have been putting forward is these were rogue elements, rogue agents who carried out either a misinterpretation of a broader po...

They're terrorists. that these are just kids in a sandbox. what is happening here, 250,000 kurds have already left. they have to now navigate through dangerous terrain that is controlled by different forces. all of which are against the kurds. be it, rogue elements of the -- the -- the regime that is hunting them down or elements of the -- of kurdish -- of turkish militias. so to have the president insulting them and then being dismissive and acknowledging that this fight because the president seems to be acknowledging he allowed this fight to go forward. he could have stopped it but he wanted...

Absolutely, no question about that. but that's it. that's why we held up the money. >> welcome back. some of us are still lifting our jaws off the floor if there are any hinges left in our jaws on the mulvaney performance yesterday. putting aside what he said about withholding military aid, that is him saying that he discussed corruption related to the dnc server with president trump. what is that corruption? it's a conspiracy theory that claims the dnc servers are in ukraine. they are not. anyway, still with us susan page, joel payne, matthew continetti. we literally know, susan, this conspir...

Music, presumably to drown out the sound of the saw. a khashoggi look alike can be seen leaving the consulate. >> same clothes, same glasses and beard, everything except the shoes. >> saudi arabia vehemently denies knowing anything about khashoggi's disappearance. >> as details began to emerge the saudis said a fight had broken out. >> the official saudi explanation of khashoggi's death was the result of a fistfight gone bad has been deemed laughable. >> finally the saudi government settled on one word, rogue. it was a rogue operation. >> the saudi foreign minister told fox news that this was ...