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The way saudi arabia works, and it says that mohammed bin sal did it, i believe the cia. >> and having worked for the cia you know what goes on behind the scenes. i wonder if you can elaborate what is the process like? >> well, for a start the cia understands how saudi arabia works. there is one man in control of the country that's mohammed. number two, saudi officials do not carry out rogue operations. it's totally improbable. then you have this intelligence, you have the saudi ambassador to washington apparently complicit in khashoggi's murder, they were apparently reading what's up apps mes...

>> he is not an incendiary character the way romney is and giuliani is for some folks. he may be a calmer answer for all concerned. >> what do you make about the discussion about a frayed state of affairs over the mitt romney pick in particular? do you think we are seeing the internal struggle pispilling ou here? >> i think this is the battle of the soul of the trump administration. kellyanne is a loyalist. she not the person who has run a lot of rogue operations. you have to say this is orchestrated and she is out there with a stated clear purpose for above or maybe there's something else goi...

Let's get reaction from the panel. david david axelrod, andrea mitchell, dan senor. obviously the debate isn't going to end any time soon, but this is a pretty tough report. the facts in it are cia based. the conclusions, i understand, what vice president cheney was against, but the facts are pretty damning, and at least plant some seeds of doubt, does it not? >> well, look. i think the actual program, the integrity of the program, the report does not actually produce anything that undermines it. most of what is criticized in the report is what happened outside the program. these rogue operato...

David david axelrod, andrea mitchell, dan senor. obviously the debate isn't going to end any time soon, but this is a pretty tough report. the facts in it are cia based. the conclusions, i understand, what vice president cheney was against, but the facts are pretty damning, and at least plant some seeds of doubt, does it not? >> well, look. i think the actual program, the integrity of the program, the report does not actually produce anything that undermines it. most of what is criticized in the report is what happened outside the program. these rogue operators. now, reasonable people can disa...

To end any time soon, but this is a pretty tough report. the facts in it are cia based. the conclusions, i understand, what vice president cheney was against, but the facts are pretty damning, and at least plant some seeds of doubt, does it not? >> well, look. i think the actual program, the integrity of the program, the report does not actually produce anything that undermines it. most of what is criticized in the report is what happened outside the program. these rogue operators. now, reasonable people can disagree on, you know, what happened in those rogue operations, but the actual integri...