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Forward and enact a vision of leadership that actually has resonance. and particularly seeing obama in africa, i mean, i think the countries he's going to, it's hard to argue he shouldn't go and see nelson mandela and south africa and tanzania and senegal have a history of democratic governance. it's important to reward that. i think obama's role modeling could really be in other environments in the more risky places in the continent that are arguably more important in terms of economics and in terms of, you know, the trajectory of future growth. >> you think that? >> the other thing that i wo...

That parents can't intervene anymore. parents can't say, hey, stick to your room. they don't-- i wish i could help, but it doesn't look like i make a difference at all. >> clayton: also, the belongings issues and arguments about belongings lead to anxiety and seems obvious. it's troubling, we're talking 12 year olds. there's got to be earlier assessment, if you're two and three years old and before you get to 12 is there a way to stop it? >> i think it's an excellent point. the studies show by the time you're 12 and 15 parents can't do anything. i think that role modeling is the key thing. whe...

Little surprised. that's all he got. there was absolutely no excuse whatsoever for that kind of behavior. >> i just want to ask you that because i know you care a lot about the role modeling for kids around the country. it seems to me that professional sports have such an influence on all of our young people. so thank you for taking a question out of left field. >> absolutely. >> and thanks very much, secretary duncan. the prosecution's star witness in north carolina against former presidential candidate john edwards will be cross-examined in a few minutes in the afternoon session. it is tur...

I will tell you that right up front, he took politics 2012 off table. we didn't talk about that at all. he really wanted to talk about his governance, where to take the country over the next two years. and i respected the fact because i do think that presidents sometimes can be in bubbles and coming out of the elections, he asked me, he asked others to come in from the business community, the little community to talk with him for a while. i respect him, a person who is willing to do that. i think it's a healthy in for a president to reach outside the bubble. >> david gergen is a smart guy and ...

Conscience? >> i think a significant amount. if you look at the children, look at the role modeling that they have. i think it explains a lot, the rationale that the children use. if you look at their parents. >> in the an tone case, i'm sure we can say that in the lohan case. >> what about her attacking matt lauer and saying he's an entertainer and disassembling and exaggerating. >> i think it was four times your daughter was in rehab. she said no. >> what about the f bomb? did you see that interview? >> you know, with the f bomb, that was bad. >> they're not role mod els. are they enails? >>...