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africans are _ hope from our government. south africans are realising _ hope from our government. south africans are realising that - africans are realising that they— africans are realising that they don't change the way they vote, _ they don't change the way they vote, south africa will end up in a _ vote, south africa will end up in a very. _ vote, south africa will end up in a very, very dark place. there _ in a very, very dark place. there will_ in a very, very dark place. there will be anarchy, there will be — there will be anarchy, there will be looting _ there will be ana...

the anc has been damaged by economic stagnation, a protracted energy crisis, and massive inequality. my guest today is the leader of the biggest opposition party, the democratic alliance, john steenhuisen. could he become south africa's first white leader since apartheid? john steenhuisen, welcome to hardtalk. great to be with you, stephen. well, it's great to be here in cape town. let's start with a very simple question. when you said not so long ago, "there is a changing of the guard coming in south africa, the anc�*s decline is terminal. it's just a matter of how fast," did you ...

. yo promisesed d to reiton in the abuses of those in power to take your liberty, your propert p y, your reputation d ,and indeed your life,ee he promised humility that is so often found when the powerful embrace fairness as their sur foundation. gar >> sure doesn't seem that way, does it? gary shapleighy , as hisiservisy supervisor, special agent for the irs, where he's worked for 14 years in january twenty twenty , he was assigned to what he calls a high profile investigation. who's the subject of the investigation? >> can'ti can't confirm or deny the subject to this investigation....

abuses of those in power to take your liberty, your property, your reputation, and, inin deed, your life. he promised a humility so often found with the powerful embrace fairness as their foundation. it sure doesn't seem that way, does it? >> gary sappily is a supervisory special agent for the irs where he's worked for 14 years. in january 2020, he was assigned to what he calls a high profile investigation. >> who's the subject of the investigation? >> i can't confirm or deny the subject of this investigation. >> why not. >> because part of the tax secrecy laws don't allow it. >> he ...

my guest today is the leader of the biggest opposition party, the democratic alliance, john steenhuisen. could he become south africa's first white leader since apartheid? john steenhuisen, welcome to hardtalk. great to be with you, stephen. well, it's great to be here in cape town. let's start with a very simple question. when you said not so long ago, "there is a changing of the guard coming in south africa, the anc�*s decline is terminal. it's just a matter of how fast," did you really believe that? of course i believed it then. i think it's a fair assessment about where the anc...