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Detroit news had one, ppp had one, essentially santorum and romney in a statistical tie. does all of this play into that? and how that happens? >> the negative frame the romney side and the super pac, that he supports earmarks. i don't know that's going to make up the ground. you know, it's a moving target. there's ads on the air, there's polling, the candidates out there. i don't think we know where it stands. my gut is that's not enough. that's not the equivalent of what they did with gingrich with freddie mac and they're going to have to find some additional negative frame to put on him. i ...

I mean, it takes a very negative environment we've been in for the past couple weeks and makes fun of it. it's kind of a very relaxed ad, kind of sneaks up on you and at the end of the day you're like hey, governor romney is trying to throw mud and against my guy rick santorum or against the candidate rick santorum and i think it is a very effective ad for santorum. and i think on the romney side, you see what they're trying to do. they're trying to paint him as rick santorum another washington insider and that is where the lines are drawn as we move forward for the next two weeks. >> joan, i ...

To throw mud and against my guy rick santorum or against the candidate rick santorum and i think it is a very effective ad for santorum. and i think on the romney side, you see what they're trying to do. they're trying to paint him as rick santorum another washington insider and that is where the lines are drawn as we move forward for the next two weeks. >> joan, i don't watch television the way most regular people do. a lot of most people get home, they're tired. they go in the living room and they watch tv while their wife in some cases is making dinner or the husband in some weirder cases i...

Could beat president obama in the pew poll. obama has an 8-point lead over romney and 10-point lead over santorum. not even the margin of error, when you compare to gingrich and he was the main competitor, romney could make a strong case he was stronger than gingrich. i think what happened is on each side, the romney side, santorum side, romney has been very awkward to the point where when he uses a phrase like he governed in a severely conservative way, that is a story for days, we're talking about the word "severely" and he just does not seem comfortable. rick santorum knows what he believes...

When you compare to gingrich and he was the main competitor, romney could make a strong case he was stronger than gingrich. i think what happened is on each side, the romney side, santorum side, romney has been very awkward to the point where when he uses a phrase like he governed in a severely conservative way, that is a story for days, we're talking about the word "severely" and he just does not seem comfortable. rick santorum knows what he believes and looks comfortable saying it. and i think it's that contrast that is helping rick santorum right now. >> what i thought amazing about severel...