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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20160110:08:23:00 - Vimarsana News

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20160110:08:23:00

As ron luff and his wife become more immeshed in the cult, they begin to lose sight of reality. luff is captivated by the teachings of the group's leader, jeffrey lundgren. and like all the group's members is a devoted follower. >> you haven't considered yourself a cult. >> in fact, i don't think the idea came into mind, the whole notion of a cult which i knew nothing about anyway. >> how many could would be in the group at the time. when did the requests of dictates become even more unorthodox, more, i guess, opposed to the traditional church? >> oh, it's hard to break down steps because ther...

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20160110:08:17:00 - Vimarsana News

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20160110:08:17:00

Saying, okay, you have to go to ohio to get it. i became convinced that we would have to move up there if we were really going to get the answers we were looking for. >> abruptly, he decides to move his family from missouri to ohio. >> the step, it was like a seduction, and people are awfully welcoming, they're awfully nonjudgmental, somebody looking for that attachment bigger than themselves finds the seduction very appealing. >> six weeks after moving to ohio, ron luff settles into his life with ease. the more time he spends with jeffrey lundgren, the more convinced this man will lead him in...

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20160110:08:09:00 - Vimarsana News

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20160110:08:09:00

So, yeah, i can i understand the time and place in that. >> after getting married and starting a family, luff leaves the navy. a lack of structure leaves him floundering. he turns back to his religion for stability. >> he needed an awful lot psychologically. he talks about going to the navy and finding satisfaction with associating himself with a larger group, structure, he could follow directions and commands. on one side of the navy, still searching for something. in this case, what he was searching for was a certain kind of spiritual or religious certainty. >> luff's constant search for acc...

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20160110:08:08:00 - Vimarsana News

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20160110:08:08:00

Didn't really understand each other real well. one thing i saw in my dad he had a tremendous amount of love but he didn't always know how to express it real well. >> there is something in there, even his own temperament that left him feeling alone, disconnected and particularly in need of a bigger stroke here, like a different direction to make him feel part of something. >> like a lot of teenager, luff begins to rebel and distances hills from the church. >> i began to drink and act wild. >> it's not consistent with what they expected of you. >> as luff pulls farther away, he searches for new ...

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20160110:08:49:00 - Vimarsana News

Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20160110:08:49:00

>> i began to doubt whether or not i could continue any farther because god had gotten too ugly. at this point, too ugly to follow anymore. that grew into serious doubts about what was right. and then eventually to a conviction that was wrong. >> luff's growing realization that he participated in a terrible crime prompts him to turn himself into authorities. it say step that initiates the end of jeffrey lundgren's cult. coming up -- >> how in the world. >> if you can recover. >> is that how you view this as a recovery? >> a recovery, you could say, a nightmare. all of those dreams of what wa...