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The players, the people involved at the time. that was a separate criminal case. so i get to the scene, figure out what happened and it started growing from there. we discovered they scoped out where the truck would be most vulnerable and decided to hit the truck on highway 20 outside of ukiah. they bought cars, trucks, a 30-pound box of roofing nails and they threw them out on the road. and the armored truck starts to get flat tires and then they surround the truck. there's two or three guys pulling up shotguns. they actually shot at the truck. and the shotgun blast went through the glass, hi...

Vulnerable and decided to hit the truck on highway 20 outside of ukiah. they bought cars, trucks, a 30-pound box of roofing nails and thank you them on the road. the truck gets flat fires and they surround the truck. they actually shot at the truck, and the shotgun blast went through the glass, hits the people inside. they claimed out and someone in one of the pickup trucks held up a sign that said get out or die. and then they were able to get into the back and start pulling money bags back. one of the guys was calling out time marks. eight minutes gone. nine minutes gone. they were very disc...

Nails. so the two law enforcement officers immediately moved the crowd down the hill, and as they were getting the crowd out of the way and further down below, the device detonated, killing one woman, and then later a journalist had a heart attack running to the scene. but the fact that a trained -- two trained bomb techs actually saw a look at that device under the lid of the knapsack and immediately went to work to get the people out of harm's way gave them a great indication of how it was set up, how it was put together even before it exploded. so that was huge. and the fbi was able to trac...

You can see either side of that. the roofing nails is a -- the carpenter nails, as they've been described by the doctor, is significant. in the atlanta bombing in 1996, roofing nails were put in a plastic food container put next to the pipe bomb in a knapsack, when it exploded roofing nails went out and the one woman that was killed by the bomb itself was hit with a roofing nail and it killed her. the other fatalities and awe journalist who had a heart attack running to the scene. the woman was killed by a roofing nail. the fbi was able to track those nails to where they were manufactured, wha...

That. does that surprise you? >> no. it doesn't. and, yeah, he said that several hours ago and nothing's changed. they are still going back through more records and more phone conversations that may have been intercepted of known suspects, of terror groups. they still have no indication that they missed a warning, that was delivered prior to the event. so that's still annish t issue since the vent, no one's taken credit that i know of. and sources are saying it's still unattributed to who did it and why they did it. as far as the crudeness of the devices, we saw it almost reminded me of the ce...