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Shots fired. i grabbed a kid, three people fell to the ground. grabbed the ki grabbed the kid and the mom was following me. >> i didn't know how safe it was to keep running in the open, so when i saw people running into that store, that's where i went. we were in the fitting room area. where do you go? you're in a fitting room area. you're just as vulnerable. >> erin mcpike has more from outside the mall in columbia, maryland. >> the clwhen the shots rang ou and terrified so many people here because the shooting took place at a second level store that overlooks the food court. the shooter shot...

All of a sudden three people just run to the back of our back room saying somebody is in the mall shooting. some people were going towards the one exit. a lot of other people who didn't know where the heck they were were going the other way hiding out in rooms. >> people started running and said somebody is down there and has a gun. i heard at least eight to ten gunshots. >> i heard somebody say shots fired. so i grabbed a kid and looked. three people fell to the ground. grabbed the kid and ran, the mother followed me. >> people dropped everything. they left strollers, strollers there, coats, ...

The back of the store in the fitting room area, i mean, literally just, you know, where do you go? you're in a fitting room area. someone is going to come in. you're still just as vulnerable. >> chaos in columbia, maryland. the howard county mall there. the latest scene of the latest shooting in america. i'm here with lou palumbo who is a former law enforcement official. lou, if this does turn out to be a domestic situation which cnn is hearing from our sources, police there sort of pushing back, not saying they don't have that yet, but these guys do work very quickly, we do know. does this --...

Good deal of planning or a lot of luck. dustin paul has had neither, but that hasn't stopped him from trying. >> how far did you get? >> not very far. not even out the door most of the time. >> right now i'm ready to get out of here. >> oh. there's probably anywhere from seven to ten attempts where he attempted to, i guess, exit his cell or his room area. >> paul is awaiting trial on charges of receiving and concealing a stolen motor vehicle, to which he's pled not guilty. >> i wasn't happy about being here. because really i shouldn't be here. i didn't know that car was stolen. >> many of paul...

A block check. he's checking on the inmates. in order for him to do this he needs to come into a sub d room and towards the individual's cell. mr. paul happens to be out in his day room time in the sub day room time and seizes that opportunity and runs out through the sub day room to the larger day room. >> where were you trying to go when you were running? >> trying to get as far as i could get and trying to set a record. see how far i could get here. [ laughter ] >> how far did you get? >> not very far. >> even though he's gotten out into this general area, he still would have gone through a...