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Accuse root problem in the community and including changing the way neighborhoods were segregated. >> we should note he never opposed voluntary busing and he said he never opposed busing period. what is your reaction? >> well, first of all, the record speaks differently from the quotes from the time and i read them, again it is decades ago, problematic and he needs to talk to the record, from the 1994 crime bill, i was a law student and who was being followed or singled out by police that led to the explosion of mass incarceration something that now i'm working in the senate have been drawing ...

These are families fleeing persecution. fleeing drug cartels, gangs. the money would have to go to creating better conditions at home. going after the coyotes who are profiting off of them and that's not happening right now. >> and yet it's this political fight you have republicans trying to attack aoc because they see a political upside on that, you have president trump talking about it over and over again because it influences the right politically. >> i would not expect this administration to go at the root problem at all. it's just like you said, plugging the gap until they hope trump poli...

Honduras why can't you apply for asylum in guatemala. >> because the administration hasn't been successful and neither has congress in changing the laws or amending the laws. it strikes me this is basically moving the problem south. you have central american countries with economic and security issues, that's what's chasing many of these people out of their countries. now you're pushing it down to the mexico border in effect without solving the root problem. >> right. z you say, it's pushing the problem south and also essentially trying to frame the issue in terms of, you know, what's best for...

Families -- >> can the city of el paso keep handling more and more migrants coming over the border? >> this country, this united states of america, absolutely can do this. we have 400,000 apprehensions last year, chuck. in the second year of the george w. bush administration there were 1.6 million apprehensions on the u.s./mexico border. if we treat people with the humanity that they deserve, if we release them from detention into a family case management program to ensure they follow our laws at a fraction of the cost to improve our security and ensure the asylum laws on the books. if we foll...

Population greater than 500,000, have been for many years. a physical structure like a fence is part of, you know, control of the borders, which we need. the real root problem is we're dealing with the symptoms of a root problem and that's lack of migration, immigration reform. nobody has shown fortitude on either side of the isle. so both are culpable and something has to be done. we're doing dacas, dreamers, those that are already here and what we're doing out of central america. >> we should note there was a deal on the table back in march of -- >> $25 billion. >> $25 billion for the wall t...