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In the case of clinton. i thought it was actually just a little bit different than this particular case. they can't point to anything specifically. but how do you see it? >> >> clearly in the case of bill clinton they actually had charges that they were able to pin to him. and we can debate about whether or not politically that was a wise thing to do. clearly it was probably not a wise thing for republicans to do. but, i think at the time they felt like they didn't have a choice because they had these articles of impeachment and they were enunciated. when you go to democrats today and you say ...

I thought it was actually just a little bit different than this particular case. they can't point to anything specifically. but how do you see it? >> >> clearly in the case of bill clinton they actually had charges that they were able to pin to him. and we can debate about whether or not politically that was a wise thing to do. clearly it was probably not a wise thing for republicans to do. but, i think at the time they felt like they didn't have a choice because they had these articles of impeachment and they were enunciated. when you go to democrats today and you say enunciate for me, tell m...

Routine process which is very dangerous. i want to point out, the idea that this is a political process, it cuts both ways. i guarantee you if they pursue this, this is why nancy pelosi doesn't want to do it because she's a smart lady. if democrats pursue this, they are going to pay for it in the next election and they are going to pay for it grievously. up and down the ticket because the idea of taking away the vote from the american people in the middle of an election is not going to ride well, not only for republicans and independents but sensible democrats. >> it's not a political process,...

Why do you think they have been so determined to get to the bottom of who this source is and to air it publicly? >> well, this is the second line that's been crossed by a republican party that previously was the -- more of a defender of these kind of tactics than the democrats. the first line that was crossed was when the fisa court process was -- which is usually secretive process, not really much -- not opened up to the public and when that fisa warrant on carter page was investigated by the intelligence committee and it was argued that this was somehow, you know, a process that was corrupte...

Routine process to say maybe some officials not everyone in the public, but some may need to know who this is what they're talking about and why, so it could be abused but i don't think we have any evidence yet that it has been abused. do you see any? >> could be in it's the interest of national security if it's purely political that's a different problem, but the integrity of susan rice given what she said march 22. >> i know nothing about this. i was surprised to see reports from chairman nunes on that count today. >> your reaction? >> it depends on what the meaning of "this" is. >> it was a...