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Both have now pled not guilty to the charges. more on this, the duo duos's rio power, legal investigative reporter cynthia mcfadden digging into this situation for a while. cynthia? >> reporter: a really good summary where we are. we know paul manafort and donald trump have been friends, business friends and colleagues, for over 30 years. introduced to one another by roy comb, who represented, of course -- the unbelievable joe mccarthy during the mccarthy hearings. so they've known each other, worked together throughout the years. so any attempt to say, oh, well, i didn't really know him by th...

Precampaign, that's bads news, because if that were true, that would mean that bob mueller has the authority to pursue these other cases, and rod rosen stein didn't intervene, and it's open season. >> could be broad, but it looks broader than we may have thought, in the meantime, the part two is, the president and manafort weren't that close anyway. >> well, the president trying to distance himself through a spokesperson today, let's be clear. the president and paul manafort, the 30 year relationship, they were introduced by roy comb, the famous lawyer for mccarthy in the '50s, they've known e...

It is is almost intellectually dishonest. he said something. he got in trouble for it. he's going to keep fighting just like roy comb told him to. >> you're saying i'm being intellectually dishonest. >> maggy, you couldn't be intellectually dishonest if you tried. i'm sawing the idea that he is a contrarian. maybe he is just taking the other side. that's not who he is. >> no, i think we're saying the same thing. when somebody tells him -- i'm saying what you said. when somebody tells him he is wrong, he immediately says what about xyz, his default position was some form of what aboutism. that ...