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Trump's mind-set. the republicans have formed this wall of defense around the president. >> publicly. >> they are defending him. it brings him no comfort, it doesn't calm him down. he's been a command and control person his entire life. he was taught by roy kohn and some of the other people that helped him come up in business, you get what you want and you do what it takes to get it. he had a very small family he business, he relight on family members, he relied on people like michael cohen to be fixers to deal with problems as they came up. now he's president of the united states. roy kohn wo...

Does this come from a guilty conscience? >> it's hard to say definitively. with the actions of someone who's acting out. are they someone who should be defiant? or should they be a defend. you wonder about this, because at the one hand you mentioned roy kohn who is the master of witch hunts, you wonder if he's taking a page out of that book and saying, here's the way to become the johnny apple seed of planting seeds of doubt, you lash out, you make people realize that the court of public opinion links directly to impeachment. you will have the strings

Roy kohn would say, you should squash this. you are the most powerful person on the planet. you should squash this. it doesn't matter to him that mitch mcconnell and paul ryan are protecting him so well. it bothers him such a great deal that he can't squelch it, democracy doesn't work that way. it's simple when you continue to give a child what they want, and they keep lashing out, wanting more and more and more, you never say no. it's like dealing with a child, but they are not good parents. >> impulse control from the campaign throughout. people inside the white house say the burst of tweets...

Roy had been indicted, that this guy had really taken it, you know, that far. >> you're saying he liked it. >> he liked it. according to gene morris, who was roy kohn's first cousin and he was around the two of them, and he said he thought donald really went for that. immediately, as soon as he met roy kohn right after that, the department of justice served the trump organization with a complaint about housing discrimination. fred trump had had a similar complaint in cincinnati, made it go away quietly. not donald. next day they had a press conference -- >> no, they were very aggressive. >> bl...

Did he fix and what needed fixing? what needed fixing was relations with the mob and shakedowns by the mob so that there would be no strikes and there would be labor peace at all costs. >> how does that match your reporting of donald trump? >> school of roadwy kohn, whate you can get away with. that's what he learned from roy. he already knew this, but roy took it to the next level. when i was doing my book, a really interesting conversation with a real estate lawyer and a guy named eugene morris who happened to have been roy kohn's first cousin and had worked for fred trump but it was also ro...