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In my government. that's a philosophical discussion. but i think the democratic party is being pragmatic and i commend them for it. >> you know what else we're doing, jack, aside from being pragmatic or as like you say, strategic? we're doing the right thing. the gop should try it sometime. >> i remember how well y'all did with barny frank. >> especially these days when the person of the year for time magazine are the silence breakers, let me finish, jack. who are coming out against their abusers, against a culture that hopefully we are at a tipping point, but that will all depend on what repu...

Shawn hannity is having a nervous breakdown on twitter this morning as we speak over this whole thing. he's losing advertisers and he's also losing viewers. people might not have noticed. rachel maddow at 9:00 after the moore story broke started beating shawn hannity every night. his viewers are depressed about this story. they don't want to hear about republicans and child molestation allegations. >> yes? then we've got steve bannon who more and more wants his poster boy. he said he was going to go find dozens of roy moors and put them up against challengers all across the republican party. s...

And that will continue that way unless and until that base erodes. >> i want to get to your response on this, mark, but let me just read this quote to you. it's from "the new york times." he made a cutting observation about the republican party today in the wake of jeff flake's announcement. there is no room for flake, but there's room for a man who isn't sure if gay people should be executed. he's talking about roy moore, the alabama candidate for senate who talked about punishing gays by death. where do you see this party headed? >> well, it's headed in exactly the direction that donald trum...

Both sides are still fighting. when you talk about forming a gang, they are not fighting. and they are not fighting. >> at what point does the voter turn around and say, what are the roy moors and donald trumps doing for me? is there any voter component here? are they always going to be willing to be sold energy drinks? >> yes. >> here, have another one. have another one. and never ask what the outcome is for them. >> i think what they are doing for them is just being there. i'm struck by the extent to which for a lot of the base of the republican party, the party's already accomplished what t...