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But the bigger context is important, all of these things. and on every front, president trump has been pulling back. >> ken, you draw a line, i still recall in the campaign, in the convention in cleveland, the one change made to the republican platform was pulled back. you add that to the distan and the distaste for angela merkel and the other members of nato, this was all one big rubix cube that fits together in some way? >> yes, and i'm glad you brought that up. i allegedly -- paul manafort was behind that change, taking out

Something for his personal gain. but the bigger context is important, all of these things. and on every front, president trump has been pulling back. >> ken, you draw a line, i still recall in the campaign, in the convention in cleveland, the one change made to the republican platform was pulled back. you add that to the distan and the distaste for angela merkel and the other members of nato, this was all one big rubix cube that fits together in some way? >> yes, and i'm glad you brought that up. i allegedly -- paul manafort was behind that change, taking out giving lethal assistance to the

Doing that not because you don't sit across the table and think he provided information in the past but because somebody will tear him to shreds. he is attacking cohen's credibility. the mistake the president is making is saying that cohen is lying now. he brought a hammer down on him. if cohen lies now and i suspect mueller could figure it out cohen is not going to get off the hook he is going to get on the hook. last thing, remember those famous raids, the hotel room, they are getting all of the information, not just financial information but stuff like texts. they are putting that together ...

Rubix cube. we don't know what happened with roger stone and whether other people discussed that don junior meeting, whether others can confirm there was a conspiracy to hide that meeting. we don't know whether there were people who were aware of wikileaks and whether they released information before i happened. >> when asked he said he was a businessman. he didn't know whether or not he was going to win the election so he continued to push ahead with growing the trump organization. it has been mentioned in their

Clinton and help trump. how helpful would this data be in that effort? >> i think, depending on the sort of granularity of it, for example, you talk about county-wide or state-wide data in places like florida and pennsylvania. remember, don, we're looking at one piece in isolation. we also know that roger stone, there are allegations about his contact with wikileaks. if you put all this information together, is paul manafort providing this information to a potential russian intelligence asset at the same time as somebody else connected with the trump campaign is talking to wikileaks about wher...