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Right now, ron paul and newt gingrich have delegates but are unlikely to get to the five states. what happens to the delegates? they're going to get back to us on that. but my point is, when i say that there is still a lot of parts to this process that we don't understand the rules -- you have what i would call a fragile, unstable nominating process -- rule process. i think if you're reince priebus, you're hoping beyond hope that somehow romney gets to 1,144. we've done the math, it is very hard -- if we go on to this demographic back and forth and santorum wins wisconsin, albeit narrowly, and...

Speaker gingrich would challenge the rules before he's lost as opposed to after he has lost. he did that in virginia. he said, look, i don't think it's fair to have to get 10,000 signatures. that's after he worked hard to get the 10,000. i got them, ron paul got them, but he didn't so he wants to change the rule afterwards. apparently he wants to change the recall in florida. we knew what were rules were going into it but now that he lost florida he wants to find some way to do better. i'm not terribly concerned about the rule process. it's going to be worked out by the republican national com...

But i think both of these cases, these measures came up under suspension of the rules. they came up where amendments weren't allowed, debate was limited. >> even 12 years later, you see him physically squirming on that one. dick cheney physically trying to squirm away from the shame of that vote by saying, oh, it was about the process by which the ban was brought up. i was unhappy about the closed rule process. the ban plastic guns legislation was initially opposed by the nra, naturally. but even the nra looked around, realized how that made them look, and they changed their mind on it. in the...