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Conservative record. when you look at the people who are voting against kevin mccarthy, they are people who are overwhelmingly conservative. but kevin mccarthy himself is very conservative. we are talking about the far right of the right at this particular point. there are exceptions to that. it's not just about ideology. i try to calculate the scores and look at this. sometimes you have to wonder, maybe it's just that they don't like kevin mccarthy. >> is that what it is in when y? >> i thought much was personal. i think part is geographic. kevin mccarthy is from california. they would rather...

This spectacle to play out on "primetime" television, then you're not interested in what's best for the republican party. but that leaves 16. and i think kevin is trying to pick them off one by one. >> bret: mollie? >> we have seen so 78 people talk about how chaotic and embarrassing this is. i think a lot of this is about just democracy in action. we are seeing people going down and voting and debating. this is generally a good thing. and, it also is a lesson for the republican party, i think, in that you have these 20 members who do not have a majority. but they're showing thousand we would ...

The modern history of speakers. and it is a question right now about whether they will take what could be a really good deal. and some of them might not. some of them simply do not like kevin mccarthy very much. but i think that if there are people in the 20 who actually want something tangible, they want rules changes, they want committee positions, they want assurances of specific kinds, they could certainly be in a position to get that. and we will find out over the next day or so how much further mccarthy is willing to go to start whittling this group of 20 down to -- he has to get them do...

Kill more people? that is exactly what he is doing. even but department offense worries about it. >> of a lot of people in your corner including mike gallagher but here's what he said earlier about you. >> i am confident kevin is doing a remarkable job in terms of reaching out to members who are not committed to vote for him at an asking what are your concerns customer quickly meet in the middle terms of rules changes? the fact is using to elevate the issue of china and substantiate a select committee on china something the entire conference can get behind street is going to prioritize that pr...

That is exactly what he is doing. even but department offense worries about it. >> of a lot of people in your corner including mike gallagher but here's what he said earlier about you. >> i am confident kevin is doing a remarkable job in terms of reaching out to members who are not committed to vote for him at an asking what are your concerns customer quickly meet in the middle terms of rules changes? the fact is using to elevate the issue of china and substantiate a select committee on china something the entire conference can get behind street is going to prioritize that pretty is going to p...