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I mean, he was engaged. he wasn't engaged last night. that's what it was. whereas romney was. romney really believes. >> he was having fun. >> bill: here, the difference, romney believed everything he said. can you call romney a liar and say this and say that. >> it wasn't just that. he believed but bill. >> bill: the president is like ah, you know. >> yeah, bill, of the president has to defend four years, it's very difficult to defend. he really can't. >> bill: i created this and i did that. >> he created a big mess. i'm sorry but barack obama is smart enough to know that when the real unempl...

>> bill: memo to donna brazil whom i like the governor didn't have to land any big punches because the president slipped to the canvas all by himself. our pal james carville was a bit more realistic. >> it looked like romney wanted to be there and president obama didn't want to be there. he seemed like he was happy to be there debating because obama gave the impression that this -- the whole thing was kind of a lot of trouble. >> bill: it was a lot of trouble for the president. a cnn poll taken immediately after the debate said that 67% of registered voters believe mitt romney won the contest....

First time. and you get this remarkable reaction in the cbs poll 56% of respondents said their opinion of romney had risen because their opinion of romney had been that he is he a repatients capitalist that gordon gecko, a guy who cares for nobody except himself and money and they see a reasonable guy, tough but respectful, and they realize that all the adst that they have seen are false. >> bill: okay. >> and the point you brought up that substantive one where you said it was the best line romney had about, you know, he is the guy that wants to raise taxes on the middle class and reduce the t...

Market tier, rom anything, quasieuropean top-down economy guy. obama. most voters are not going to get involved like you do. they are not going to nurture the details of the tax plan. >> you know, bill, do yourself a favor. i don't ever try to tell you thousand do it. v because you are the master of it. do not tell me about presidential politics. that is absolutely phenomenally wrong. >> bill: that's why he didn't do well last night. he came off as a wonkish guy. >> it has nothing to do with wonkish. it had everything to do with not doing your job. the job is to -- look, if you are going to sa...

Where it is moving. >> bill: do you want to predict where it's going? >> the president was ahead a couple of points before the debate. it wouldn't surprise me if he is behind by a couple. >> bill: three or four point swing? >> three or four point swing. >> bill: you are also doing the swing state polls, ohio, virginia, florida. those do you hope to see the same things there. >> absolutely. now, in ohio, the president has had a little bigger lead. any gains that romney makes will perhaps just cut into that. wouldn't surprise me if mr. romney moves ahead in florida or virginia. >> bill: now, thi...