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Sound. but in your mind, whether we're going collusion or bordering on it, how do you view all this? >> i also go back to the source, which is this is coming from the white house. that's where they're getting this information. so somebody, somebody in this administration thinks this is as much of a problem or wants to put this all on trump's shoulders -- >> donald trump. >> donald trump jr.'s shoulders. i think in jep not only is it sort of an example of collusion, this shows that they were open to it. i mean, look, i've run campaign, lots of people watching have run campaigns. you are very ca...

Telling everybody don't worry, pennsylvania will be the firewall. it's not going to happen. it did. because in the suburbs men and women both voted less for hillary than we thought they were going to. we thought the suburbs would own them. >> it's not just men who commits misogyny. >> of course. there are issues like right to life people voted against hillary on that issue, that trump was able to perhaps exploit but he did it effectively. he raised that issue in the burbs. he found an isolation on where to go with his visits. which is smart. hillary was taking it easy with one or two events a ...