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On since he took this position months ago and it's amazing how much his reputation, how much damage his reputation has taken since he came to the white house. when he was running dhs, the department of homeland security, he was viewed, especially in the national security space, as one of the more stable, reliable for lack of a better word, boring members of trump's administration. he said some controversial things about immigration, but for the large part, he was viewed especially by people in the intelligence space, in the national security space, as someone who is perhaps a source of stabili...

Who does it better at the don't blink contest? let's look. hold on, let's listen in. >> general kelly will be chief of staff, as you know. we all know him, we respect him, admire what he's done. at homeland, what he has done has been nothing short of miraculous. as you know, the border was a tremendous problem. now, close to 80% stoppage and tevin president of mexico called me. they said their southern border, few people are coming because they know they are not going to get through our border, which is the ultimate compliment. immaterial to congratulate him with the job he's done on homeland ...

>> you have the problems on the hill that he'll have to deal with without much legislative piece. >> you called kelly the new white house alpha dog. do you know if kelly had any conditions before accepting the chief of staff position? >> my understanding is that secretary kelly or general kelly expects to be chief of staff in the traditional way that chiefs of staff want to be in charge. he's been managing enormous institutions for most of his time in public life. he understands that chains of command matter. i'm skeptical he would have taken this job if he hadn't had those type of conditions....

Trump administration as well, with that type of reality back home, people will literally risk anything to get back here and this is a harsh reality for whoever is running dhs. so far, no empirical evidence that this strategy works or effective in getting people not to undertake this journey but what we do know is potentially increase the cost for detention, lead to increases in terms of having the number of beds available for detainees leading to different increases or surrounding legal challenges or everyone on the conservative side who may be favoring a small government, this is potentially ...

Goosy down there. exactly the opposite is true. more man power, technology, infrastructure. crime and illegal immigration at 40-year lows. we continue to work on that border. >> i also asked her about her long tenure on the job, 4 1/2 years, and the toll that must have taken. >> you've been homeland security secretary longer than anybody else. every morning hair-raising briefings about the terror threat. i assume you're not going to miss that. >> yes, i get here early in the morning. that's the first thing we do is look at what's happened overnight during the past day. i'll be leaving that to ...